The Undelusionist

The Undelusionist It is even more rare that someone change their mind within that single argument, especially in view of the person who's showing them their error. I.e. If 2=no.

Controlling misunderstood situations in the way we perceive reality in early childhood development which lead to psychological errors in judgement whenever those situation rise again later in life. The words of father, brother, son and friend, Undelusionist founder, William Brandow:

Undelusionist Manifesto

~I am a practicer of undelusionism. ~

~Thnx to Carl Sagan


Rarely have I witnessed someo

ne changing their mind If they have a predisposition towards one argument. Now, I have seen people come back to the conversation a few days later and have the change in mind at least towards an agnostic view.(i assume through solo researching which they'll explain). Also, it's very hard to convince someone that they have changed their mind, especially if it happens within a single conversation. For example if someone changes their mind throughout a conversation; let's say the person believes in___________ completely and at the end of the conversation the person openly would say " i understand its not proven but i believe it anyway/ i hope it does exist and thats all i need" or something close. These are merely leaning towards an agnostic view, but clearly there is a change in opinion. A big point is to have the person explain their understanding of the topic to better grasp the probable errors or lack of info. (Evolution and physics mostly for me;)
Have them ask you the questions and when they disagree go deeper into why they dont agree and show where your info came from(avoid using topics that aren't easily provable). Be able to bring the person to an understanding of how his statement is wrong(if thats the case).
~~They need to shake their own faith. To attempt to cause someone to lose faith is almost always a failure. ~~faith=delusion

Patience with repeated points of missed logic is necessary. Multiple ways of explaining single points is a good step to take. Or good improv on this stuff. (Some got it;)


This is a guide for those without enough patience to keep on track of a conversation. It is basically a guide to be followed by someone with a good amount of information on the existing arguments of agnosticism, aswell as an amateur understanding of psychology


What is faith? Whether or not the person understands the real definition, it is important you do. Faith is

1.q Do you believe in god?
1.a. Keep in mind an agnostic viewpoint. Basically any answer other then "yes" and its a different conversation

If yes{goto 2.q}

2.q. Is there any experience in your life with the divine? gods will or his hand at work in your life. You feel it(karma/luck) Or an actual experience with an angel/ devil or divine forces or voices. Etc..(everything i named is explainable. Realize embellishment . )

2.a. The answer to this question can change the convo. Then the person has true faith and the convo is changed. {Goto 3.q}. If 2=yes. Then a complete analysis of the experience(s) is(are) necessary . Depend on the story. Varied response's are left to the interviewer. The faith in this situation is through the subjects first time having the experience and then accrediting it to _______. Keep in mind peoples abilities to have a misunderstood situation in the way they perceive reality in early childhood development to lead to psychological errors in judgement whenever that situation rises again later in life. A model is created for reality and is used to discern the current environments in instances of similarly confused states.

{goto q.4}

~~~sry for this being unfinished. Im still working on it~~~

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